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Posted on 04 / 12 / 2006

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In the past I have always found it difficult to find good, reliable builders. Earlier this year I moved out of London to near Bristol and my new home needed a lot of renovation work. A friend told me about www.ratedtrademen.com and I have been very pleased. It was quick to register and put in job details. I've done this three times now to find a plumber, electrician and plasterer. Each time I got two local tradesmen quoting within a week. The tradesmen know that customers leave feedback so they have an incentive to do a good job. Its a great way of finding recommended tradesmen, especially when you move to a new area where you don't know people to ask.

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User Name - Anita


Posted on 12 / 01 / 2007

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I am a tradesmen and have registered as a tradesmen.

I HAVE ALSO WASTED A LOT OF MONEY PAYING FOR CUSTOMER DETAILS FOR JOBS THAT REALLY DID NOT EXIST OR PEOPLE HAVE JUST REGISTERED AS A WHIM. REMEMBER THAT TRADESMEN PAY RATEDTRADESMEN SITE FOR DETAILS OF CLIENTS, CLIENTS DO NOT PAY TO SUBMIT JOBS...!!

The site concept is good but really only using a new technological spin on contacting tradesmen except actually tradesmen are contacting you (sounds a bit like double galzing in a different guise). People are saying great site, yeah, for the customer. I have spent over 250 pounds to receive infromation about clients of which I have had to make a lot of effort to contact people. This is a first as I am usually being chased by clients to undertake projects. Suffice to say because so many tradesmen, people posing as tradesmen, or chancers can join as a skilled person unless you are rapid to answer txt msgs or emails (I work all day unfortunately) you do not have a chance in HELL.

ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT PROPERTY OWNERS BEWARE AND TAKE NOTE, RESEARCH YOUR TRADESMEN AND GO TO THEM, DONT LET THEM COME TO YOU!!!!!!!!! YOU WILL BE SORRY

I AM ANNOYED AND OUT OF POCKET

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User Name - Richard


Posted on 08 / 02 / 2007

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I totally agree with Richard on this, the tradesmen that came out to me were unreliable.

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User Name - Mrs P


Posted on 15 / 02 / 2007

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What a waste of time this serivce is all i did was enter my details and i am a rated tradesmen no follow calls no refs needed. This is just a web site out to make money out of tradesmen as they send you details of jobs that are just not worth looking at it is to easy for people to use and takes no effort to use. This is why you get people just asking for a price on jobs they have real idea if they want it done and you have to pay £10 to get there details to find that out. All of the jobs i have quoted have been with people who have not got a clue and are just window shoppers and as for the other people i have priced against they are well cowboys who price at silly rates and dont even try and try and do a good job never mind finish. One it makes life hard for proper tradesmen when COWBOYS can, but there details on sites like this and people think they have been vetted and checked.

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User Name - mr b


Posted on 12 / 03 / 2007

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As CEO of Rated Tradesmen (www.ratedtradesmen.com) I'm of course very disappointed to hear of your experience.

Tradesmen are asked when they join to specify the type of work and locations they are interested in so that only relevant leads are sent to them. We also have systems in place to try and ensure that jobs are active, for example email and text prompts to customers reminding them to let us know if their job is no longer available. We never give details of jobs to more than three tradesmen who wish to quote, so that there is a good chance of winning the work. Compared to other companies the rates we charge are low – no upfront charges, just a low membership rate and a flat fee for job referrals that tradesmen select from the ones we send them.

Rated Tradesmen has thousands of active trade members now. Each of these tradesmen are pre-screened for a good credit rating which is an indication that they have been in business for more than a year, have filed accounts and have not had county-court judgments upheld against them.

Unfortunately (for us all) we are not allowed access to other useful screening information such as complaints made to Trading Standards. There are two legal barriers (a) the Enterprise Act and (b) personal privacy laws which cover sole traders and small tradesmen. Whilst there is pressure (from within and outside the Office of Fair Trading) to make this information publicly available there has been no movement on that position to date.

When recruiting new tradesmen on to the service we take time to ensure that the tradesman understands how it works: specifically that they will be rated by their customers and that these ratings are there for all to see. Deal being: if they are ready to open up their feedback, ensure that their customers are left happy and earn strong ratings then the service will work well for them. If they aren't prepared to meet this challenge then the service is not for them. We are taking the age-old world-of-mouth approach and building it into a system that lets many people access many comments about many tradesmen, local to them.

All the best
Andrew Skipwith

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User Name - Andrew Skipwith


Posted on 30 / 03 / 2007

If it worked for the tradesmen it would be good. It doesn't
Inadequate and expensive response handling

Mr. Skipwith

"We also have systems in place to try and ensure that jobs are active, for example email and text prompts to customers reminding them to let us know if their job is no longer available. We never give details of jobs to more than three tradesmen who wish to quote, so that there is a good chance of winning the work."
The problem is that if, as a tradesman, I find out that the customer is window shopping it takes a major argument with you to get your to credit back anything. You don't respond to emails, period. And your screen software is is as buggy as hell.

A pal of mine tried your sytem. First job he was offered was someone who wanted some built-in stuff doing. The quote was over £1000. I checked out the quote and came up with a figure around £50 higher and we ran it past a couple of other guys - the figure was £900 to £1100. Keen to get the job he quoted a bit lower, only to be told that the customer's budget was £400! Now let me see, 6 sliding doors, 8 feet high five with mirror glass and then all the fittings and other work, not to mention a 2-man job for a day to install. Where the heck does anyone think they'll get that for £400? Cloud cuckoo land, that's where!

"Rated Tradesmen has thousands of active trade members now. Each of these tradesmen are pre-screened for a good credit rating which is an indication that they have been in business for more than a year, have filed accounts and have not had county-court judgments upheld against them."
Really? Well I know of a couple of cowboys in Liverpool who've had work through you. One of them is still an undischarged bankrupt, so your system doesn't work. Whether or not someone has a CCJ or not is no proof of their ability to do a job. Your vetting is based on the wrong factors.

This system isn't fair to genuine tradesmen, if it were the customer would be asked to deposit a refundable bond of say £10 per job - and you'd be a lot more on the ball when it came to dealing with complaints. When someone tries to contact you all they get is a phone number national rate call centre - in South Africa - who stonewall to the limit. There is no contact telphone number in the UK. does that indicate honesty and truthfullness on your part? I think not. It has the potential to be a good system, but at the moment it verges on being illegal

I'm with the other trades people here - unless your site can deliver quality, vetted leads to tradesmen you will sooner or later find yourself in court, or worse if some of the guys I know who are unhappy with you

Vic

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User Name - V. Lightfoot


Posted on 02 / 04 / 2007

it would be good if it worked
expensive for a quote

We wouldnt mind if we only paid the quarter charge. plus the £10 for the referal, if we get the job. Thats how it should work. You would then get customer feedback because you would get your money be it only £10 a job but as you have thousands of job per week sounds good.

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User Name - martin


Posted on 05 / 04 / 2007

The Company Makes Money
Customers and Professionals Don't Benefit

Without a means of assessing the skills and history of the tradespeople registered this 'service' is dead in the water.

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User Name - Matthew Head


Posted on 09 / 04 / 2007

idea brilliant!
totally unworkable

I like some of the others have paid £10 plus VAT for a job contact and description.Many ofthe jobs are either to obtain quotes for insurance jobs, to get free specifications for required work,to get a general idea of some project and what it would cost if the project should ever materialise. Perhaps many customers find this system even better value than yellow pages as the honest tradesmen are doing all the walking for them, no doubt some work does come but the only ones making buckets of money not buckets of mortar are rated tradesmen.com. Jobs ive tendered for are conditional on the client buying the property ,the client obtaining two other estimates to satisfy insurance requirements.and the cream of them all give me a quote over the phone for a loft conversion without seeing the job. I am very suspicious of the jobs that come on the site some are genuine but many are bogus customers are entitled to and should get as many estimates as they wish but shouldnt the tradesman also benefit from the payment he gives to ratedtradesman, jobs should be vetted properly to find out if this is a window shopping expedition or if a genuine project or job is available.This is the responsibillity of rated tradesman thousands in their own admission are paying for the service how many consider it value for money. Maybe builders in the south of england benefit because of shortage of skilled tradesmen but other ares dont benefit. Customers should also realise that we want to do a fair price and quality work and in return dont expect cowboy customers who are very fond of blaming cowboy builders. Blame for poor service lies with you mr rated tradesman.co.uk

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User Name - syed ali


Posted on 16 / 04 / 2007

Great Idea
Tradesmen

From the perspective of someone trying the service for the first time: the idea is good and offers the convenience of stating your requirements and, in theory, awaiting contact from supposedly verified and hopefully qualified tradesmen. Alas, the theory of operation fails for several reasons. The site is visually appealing (a shallow aspect maybe, but crucial for attracting potential customers like me) but on deeper inspection lacks the ability to re-edit a job-spec to further clarify any work required, has no forum where cust's and suppliers can converse in general, has no per-job facility where trades people and cust's can discuss the specific job (as an independent record) and, I'm sorry to say, any site that does not respond to emails is just plain CRAZY and not worth bothering with.

There are many other reasons why the idea will in all likelyhood fail, not least because trades people, in general, are simply unreliable, untrustworthy, over-priced and bad at business even if, in the rare case, they are good at what they do. It's clear from responses here that their expectations are too high (they only want BIG jobs) and they don't understand "cost-of-sales". In the past eight years for several jobs I can only say I have had *ONE* decent tradesman do a good job at a decent price. Typically it's some idiot who can't even be bothered to research the basics of a job, has "forgot" the price list or come back with estimates double what I know to be a reliable ballpark figure.

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User Name - DonaldDuck


Posted on 22 / 05 / 2007

has jobs online
are they real

There are several sites around like this, for the tradesmen I feel its not good value for money and can be easily manipulated in favour of the site. Try someone like localtradespeople who don’t charge to put a listing up.

I don’t care what you say how can a company vet thousands of tradesmen when they don’t even see their work.

The only person who can vet tradesmen is the potential customer. Get references off them and check them. Get them to sign a contract and don’t get smooth talked by them. Pay when the job has been sign off. If it was a major building construction the customer will be in the driving seat, household work should be no different.

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User Name - joshua


Posted on 22 / 05 / 2007

great idea if worked
useless dont benifit at all

90 Day subscrption is fair to get the leads, should only pay $10.00 + vat for jobs excepted as this is then classed as a commision for passing a referal. Not paying $10.00 for a job thats already been done or a dead lead or just a quote is not acceptable as, we have to pay wages to staff doing the quotes it costs us all ways. UNFAIR AND UNJUST!!!!.

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User Name - Jade Spencer


Posted on 31 / 05 / 2007

great in theory
useless in practice

Some of the tradesmen on here have said its good for customers but bad for tradesmen. I'm not sure about this. I'm a customer and had a whole raft of things that needed doing in the house and I didn't know whether to approach a builder, a roofer etc. pp. so the website seemed to be a godsent! I submitted some minor jobs and some very major jobs (e.g. paving and landscape gardening) I didn't get any quotes at all apart from one. The one quote I got for the landscaping job was a builder who didn't do gardening at all, never called (I called him in the end and he didn't call me back...)
I came to believe that the website is just a ghost website operated by some dumb machine. I didn't realise tradesmen have to pay for this- why don't customers and tradesmen just pay a one off fee and then tradesmen can quote away at no cost and customers can find someone they are happy with. The idea with the ratings is very important as you want a trustworthy company but I get the feeling there is no 'rating' or prescreening going on whatsoever. I ended up trawling through the web myself to get these jobs done and regret wasting my time on that website. Perhaps someone can take up the idea and turn it into something that actually works!

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User Name - Connie


Posted on 31 / 05 / 2007

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Expensive inadequate and truly rubbish service

I used the service and then canceled as it was pathetic. after i canceled they rang me up under false pretences telling me he had a lady who wanted a washing machine plumbing in a job I only charge 58 pounds for where is the profit in that when ten pounds goes for the introduction. I am a tradesman who completed my apprenticeship in 1980 and a member of the guild of master craftsmen not some house of horrors candidate or rogue trader naturaly I told him where he could stick it the only people who should use this service should be idiots who want to lose money or tradesmen who cannot trade responsibly or honestly as this is the only way you would make money is by fleecing any customer you get through this site.

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User Name - Anthony Richardson


Posted on 08 / 09 / 2007

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Expensive inadequate and truly rubbish service

I really dislike reading articles like this, I use to be a tradesman myself, due to a knuckle injury i had to move on, I applied to 2 different companies like mentioned above, neither EVER called my references but called me for final payment, we all know where i told them to stick it!! we are looking to eliminate the rogue traders, many of these websites are actually helping them!, saying you do this and do that and dont is exactly like the cowboy traders!!

Dare i say this, but i live in portsmouth, i am starting a new business (yourlocaltrades.co.uk),first in portsmouth then nationwide at a later date, the website goes "live" friday 7th september, as an ex-tradesperson i feel i have the knowledge to actually help the situation.
This is an insight to what i will be doing (from our first page):

Don't waste time looking through adverts and directories in search of the best tradesperson or service provider, Guarantee yourself an honest, local, vetted and verified professional.

Simply submit your brief job specification or service requirements to us and we will instantly select up to 5 of the most appropriate local approved tradespeople or service providers, each of whom are independently pre-vetted and verified by yourlocaltrades.co.uk before being accepted by our company.

Although we have vetted our trades, including proof of Public Liability Insurance/references and verified any other trade associations, you may of course ask the tradesperson to show you the relevant paperwork/references if you wish to do so.

For your complete peace of mind, we are the south's leading introducer of carefully vetted professional tradespeople and service providers to private consumers. For your convenience our local tradespeople/service providers will contact YOU.
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This is my VETTED/VERIFIED/RATED/RECOMMENDED procedure:

Nine point VETTING,ie, proof of trading time (min 2 years) proof of company bank account, proof of address, 3 references (ALL VISITED), visit the CURRENT job, VERIFY trade membership (corgi/fmb/local council membership-we have squaredeal in portsmouth/basically any they say they have we will VERIFY), Customers provided through references will fill in our questionnaire, this is where they can RATE them (1-5star) accordingly and RECOMMEND them if they feel they where that good,(red-avoid/amber-good/green-recommended).
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The public complete an online form free of charge,

The Trades pay for vetting and then £5(they are cheaper the more they pre-pay, going down to £4 or £3) per lead (offered 5 for £25 on signing up with an extra 2 free)THESE ARE COMPLETELY DOWN TO THE TRADESMEN IN QUESTION,IF THEY DONT WANT THEM THEY DONT GET THEM!!, they will still be listed within the tradesman directory for anyone to see. IF the lead supplied is for work that is deemed illegal,or from a time waster/dreamer etc then "credits" are refunded no arguments, We will be calling the member of the public to ensure a smooth process, any doubts in the application they make will be followed up with a phone call BEFORE any trade gets the information, i am not going to waste tradesmens valuable time nor mine!!

The form does state when the work is to be done, so tradesmen will know if it is ASAP/Couple of weeks/Six months etc, I will also see what the job is and what they are looking to spend, so if i feel they are being un-reasonable with what needs doing, they will be told accordingly, again no tradesman will get the lead saving everyone any messing around (except me!)

I think that is about everything, any feed back? let me know.
EMAIL DIRECT if you wish, admin@yourlocaltrades.co.uk

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User Name - Yourlocaltrades.co.uk


Posted on 20 / 09 / 2007

Excelant service and a worthwhile investment
Some time wasters

Having read some of the postings with regard to this site i am suprised at the attitude of the tradesman with regard to the tender process.Are the tradesman saying that they never encounter time wasters and chancers in the open market?I have found the site has provided me with a steady flow of reliable leads and consider the cost of the service negligable with regard to the size of the contract sums. Ask yourself this "tradesman" is it you who are at fault for pricing the job to highly in the first place and not having the confidence and ability to mange your buisiness to generate the positive responces on the ratings screen to generate confidence in the customers.

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User Name - Dave


Posted on 20 / 09 / 2007

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I think the service is overpriced however have already had one days work from it and i am currently in process of quoting two more larger jobs perhaps its just certain trades it doesnt work for or areas

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User Name - david


Posted on 20 / 09 / 2007

It does work
leads to expensive

Tradesmen my advice is simple. Over the years i have taken many photos of my work. I am a tiler/floor layer and i find this helps so much to show customers you are no COWBOY. I would say out of over 30 leads from tradesmen i have lose only 2. Not bad i think

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User Name - Nigel Russell


Posted on 02 / 10 / 2007

cost effective marketing
too many customers dont reply, unrealstic expectations,

I love it, well generally! I did have to phone three times to get my credits for jobs customers didn't want - although the staff were always friendly with a clear understanding of my issues - give them a payrise Mr. Skipworth - thousands of vetted tradesman - not me luckily I belong to safetrade who vet my feedback cards. Longer opening hours for the contact centre would be good. More customers would get a call if they gave a better description of the job and should be unable to post a job if they dont leave a budget. For me its much better than the local rag (not focused enough), yellow pages (too expensive), yell (just a glorified directory, shop windows (thats where id expect to find cowboys). Overall easy to use, cost effective (mostly) and customers have nouse (those that answer my calls)

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User Name - Neil Wheeler


Posted on 02 / 10 / 2007

Jobs at just a mouse click away
Expensive!

Great way of finding work if you are just starting out or falling on hard times etc. Can work out expensive with the £40 fees £11 per job, however advertising for work can be just as expensive and may not be as fruitfull. The amount of jobs available at anyone time is limited, however in time im sure it will become more popular with traders and customers. The jobs which i have had sent to me are rarely local and i have therefore been forced to travel distances further then i would like, however i have been able to use this service to get me out of trouble when i have been low on work. So as a conclusion even though it is expensive i would give it my thumbs up.

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User Name - Gary Smith


Posted on 02 / 10 / 2007

Its easy to use and trademan contact you - nice change
Its Rubbish

If the web site was any good it would show you the rating & comments of people who have had work completed. It doesnt so its no better than the YELLOW PAGES.
I have today just cancelled a job with a plasterer "RECOMMENDED" by this site , who didn't even bother to turn up and do the work even though we both agreed a date for the work to start.

Tradesman are TRADESMAN their reputation is deserved.COWBOYS.

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User Name - Karl Bramley


Posted on 14 / 12 / 2007

Right Idea
Can be done better

Interesting comments! I am someone who is forming a team and securing finance to build a competitor to RatedTradesmen, which so far, is the biggest incumbent in the UK of this type of business as far as we know.

In theory and at a high level this model, in my opinion, will be the norm in 10 years for securing services. Directories will be dead and exist to serve niches. The trick is in getting the exchange model spot on (or as near to) for both the buyer and seller.

I would be very interested it hear feedback from people willing it give it from both sides directly to me and beyond whats been said already in this thread to my email address below.

If we want more we would like to call / meet with you (if we do this we will of course compensate you for your time!)

Best Rgds
Sam

mailsamd@gmail.com

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User Name - Sam


Posted on 07 / 01 / 2008

I can have a moan
Where do I start?

These schemes have one fundamental flaw - they are completely privately run and policed. What do you think is more important to the directors of these companies, vetting the trades or taking their money?

Schemes of this type will eventually fade for two reasons I think.

1. Anyone with a PC can start their own "recommended Trader Scheme' from their bedroom. The only thing separating the current rubbish is the look of the website and the back-end technology. There are so many in operation that eventually the consumer will run a mile at the first mention of 'Rated, Vetted, Checked, Recommended Trades'.

2. Trading Standards have established their own trader approval scheme called 'Buy With Confidence'. It is in operation across the entire South East and will likely spread across the UK. As consumers grow sick of private internet schemes, they will turn to organisations they trust. And where the consumer looks, the trades will follow.

The largest scheme is in fact Checkatrade based in West Sussex with around 1800 members (which is very poor membership for an area which includes most of the home counties) Again, they are not interested in the consumer, they just want the £1000 a year joining fee. Checkatrade is based on vetting the trades and 'word of mouth' recommendations -but guess who's in control of the vetting and publishing the recommendations?
These companies take us for idiots.

The smart consumers know the difference between approval from a recognised impartial body and being "vetted" by a business. Many don't touch these schemes with a barge pole.

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User Name - Luke Stevens


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Posted on 21/ 03 / 2008


Luke,

Interesting comments but I have yet to find a decently run public scheme (unsurprisingly), we live in a capitalist society and innovation is typically driven by the private sector so I do believe a major force in this space will emerge, the trick is getting the business model right so it pays for both the buyer and supplier.

Sam

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Posted on 21/ 06 / 2008

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Bogus Tradesman and lack of awareness from Rated Tradesman of the capability of the so called tradesman

I first asked for a electrician in June 2007 I eventually used someone called ADR Russell he seemed a little hyper but still his quote seemed reasonable enough. When work was finished there was a socket that wasn't fitted in the wall flush.He also stated he thought he had undercharged us ????. When I called him back to a fault no reply until this day 24th June 2007.It doesn't mean nothing even though they might be registered a reconized body,as long as they have been given their fee who cares about the consumer. I recently advertised for a gardener it was answered by J M Landscapes three weeks into the job nothing seemed to be coming to an end.My husband expressed his concern at the way how the patio was being laid large gaps,small gaps,flags up and down uneven Jeff tried to explain to me why that was you should have heard the explanation.

Why do all you tradesman always ask for money up front or two days into the job.When it specifically states from Rated tradesman no money should be paid first unless there has been a pre-arrangement.I am fed up with all these conmen or partconmen where are your consciences have you all no family how would you like them tobe treated like this.Do a good job and be paid at the end. We work all month until we get paid I wish I could ask to be paid two or three days into the weekjust because I had done a bit of work what is it pay as you go come on conduct yourselves like the professionals you say you are How many times have we heard "I've been doing this for 10 15 years or even 25yrs it doesn't matter JUST DO THE JOB WE WANT CORRECTLY.

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